tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post5772647656992492654..comments2023-12-21T04:41:43.537-05:00Comments on Jesus' General: America's Growing Police StateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-67244337557404572732009-08-05T21:55:03.656-04:002009-08-05T21:55:03.656-04:00pipe:
It's a two way street. When ALL cops a...pipe:<br /><br />It's a two way street. When ALL cops are professional and law abiding, then I will be all for treating them with unquestioning respect. Until then, I'll take it one bust at a time.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-59655564779583476512009-08-05T17:53:57.872-04:002009-08-05T17:53:57.872-04:00Here's another little factoid that people need...Here's another little factoid that people need to know: police service overall is not that dangerous. Being a patrolman in a bad neighborhood, yes. But the average death rate for police officers is about what it is for motorists. And the injury rate is substantially less than than for a carpenter or a meatpacker. <br /><br />--Charles of MercuryRising<br />www.phoenixwoman.wordpress.com<br /><br />I respect officers who respect the law. Even if, as a society, we have de facto legalized such behavior, officers who do not respect the law are criminals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-81207440780842549142009-08-04T07:18:25.270-04:002009-08-04T07:18:25.270-04:00General,
People are people. How are we ever going ...General,<br />People are people. How are we ever going to get to a society that works if every situation involving two people of a different races *necessarily* has a racial component?<br />And as far as the "police-state" jive goes, here's my opinion: if we are going to allow all citizens to treat police officers like vermin, just because they are nothing more than public *servants*, then I move that we double -nay, triple- their pay, forthwith. That is all, sir.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15363060166119097658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-48844741668553260542009-08-03T20:57:13.796-04:002009-08-03T20:57:13.796-04:00ozzie490:
Did you live at that intersection?ozzie490:<br /><br />Did you live at that intersection?democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-70685111302029347042009-08-03T16:40:31.190-04:002009-08-03T16:40:31.190-04:00Your question of whether a white person would have...Your question of whether a white person would have beeen arrested seems rhetorical and loaded. I was arrested in Salt Lake City in '92 for arguing with a cop over the quality of my stop at a stop sign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-60905406113229214932009-08-03T12:45:00.901-04:002009-08-03T12:45:00.901-04:00James Crowley might not be overtly racist, but how...James Crowley might not be overtly racist, but how likely is it that he is that rare white person in which unconscious racism is completely absent — a rare white person in whom a racist culture has completely failed to indoctrinate any negative attitudes, assumptions, or beliefs about racial minorities? Imagine what would have happened if Gates were simply a working-class black man with no national connections or celebrity. <br /><br />Now you're diverging into the "mighta" crime. He "mighta" been doing this because he harbors deep-seated biases against black people. Don't even go there. You can't know, no one can ever know, give that part up. <br /><br />This dipshit Crowley, and he is a dispshit, arrested a guy who was in his own home, after he was IDed, and was asking for Crowley's badge number, WHICH HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN TO GATES, BY LAW. <br /><br />You're perfectly good up to there, beyond that your courting prejudicial behavior of your own. Just as the apologists for Crowley do, with the veiled and not-so-veiled suggestions of the 'uppity black man' crap. Let's all just skip that, shall we?<br /><br />You are perfectly correct that they had no business jailing Gates, no question of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-63342674067541460862009-08-03T07:46:51.669-04:002009-08-03T07:46:51.669-04:00I've been looking for an opportunity to share,...I've been looking for an opportunity to share, from, "The Daily Tribune - Cartersville, GA"<br /><br />http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=129CF737228C5858&p_docnum=1<br /><br />"A Bartow County Sheriff's Office deputy arrested Wednesday morning a homeless man found behind a Cartersville restaurant.<br /><br />According to a BCSO report, the deputy was told by staff members at Martin's Restaurant, 896 Joe Frank Harris Parkway, that an unknown man had been staying behind the business's Dumpster, adding that they had seen a tarp and beer cans behind the trash receptacle for the last few days.<br /><br />The deputy found 57-year-old Jeffery Lynn Graham lying on a tarp. He also noticed a strong odor of alcohol coming from Graham, a 24-ounce beer next to him on the ground, and human waste on the ground and fence near the Dumpster.<br /><br />Graham was arrested for disorderly conduct."<br /><br />There you are, Disorderly conduct takes care of the homeless. If the guy's shit didn't stick like the rest of us and he'd been drinking Desani rather than a beer he'd probably been OK, don't you think?knowdoubthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11647184346948896676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-71545673269397420252009-08-02T21:31:25.570-04:002009-08-02T21:31:25.570-04:00Fran:
Brava! Well said.
It's been over for...Fran:<br /><br />Brava! Well said. <br /><br />It's been over forty years since I was in High School, but I can remember when it was a rite of passage for the young jocks (I was not one) to cruise around downtown looking for winos and fags to beat up. Typing the words makes me wince a little, but when I was 17 I didn't know how awfully wrong it was. <br /><br />When I had to go back home for my brother's funeral in June, I spent quite a bit of time at a local bar owned by a classmate. He was a jock (athough he's always been a genuinely decent person who would not harm a soul, except between the hash marks) and his bar attracts a lot of grads from the high school we went to.<br /><br />Recently, he's been seeing an increase in business from a group of ladies who come in once or twice a week and pretty much take over his back room, where the pool table is. A few of his regulars told him that they had seen these women being, well, let's say "affectionate". To their surprise he told them that he didn't really care too much what they did as long as they weren't hurting anyone else or putting his license in jeapordy. <br /><br />It changes--glacially--but, it changes.<br /><br />Dear Ms. No Blood For Hubris:<br /><br />Them Boston & Cambridge coppers are just as thuggish as most other places I've been. But I suspect you already knew that.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-20853516834307202452009-08-02T18:02:16.225-04:002009-08-02T18:02:16.225-04:00The police action is unsurprising to me, but then ...The police action is unsurprising to me, but then it would be to any gay person paying attention. We look at the bar raid in Fort Worth on the Stonewall anniversary. No big deal, it's just fags. Right?<br /><br />Austin's got it right. It's classic frog-boiling. Bit by bit we're getting used to our rights being removed, and we don't complain because it's happening to the "other".Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15073658261122703742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-42464850614474945512009-08-02T17:50:31.288-04:002009-08-02T17:50:31.288-04:00I think what sank Atwater is that the law in quest...I think what sank Atwater is that the law in question allows for a custodial arrest. That gave the majority their loophole to allow police the power to impose "gratuitous humiliation" on anyone that bruises their ego.<br /><br />I also think they ruled as they did because as members of the ruling elite, they are convinced such a thing would never happen to them.<br /><br />If anyone cares about some more thoughts on this, you might try <a href="http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-came-by-for-beer.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2009/08/footnote-to-preceding.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Lotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774266443353774752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-57716587882464713172009-08-02T17:11:12.350-04:002009-08-02T17:11:12.350-04:00Do keep in mind that this is happening not in Selm...Do keep in mind that this is happening not in Selma, Alabama, but in the People's Republic of Cambridge, in the People's Republic of Massachusetts.No Blood for Hubrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02380206118683017717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-25373100041006308332009-08-02T14:49:12.944-04:002009-08-02T14:49:12.944-04:00Check this out....
Today, in the US, 1 in 31 adul...Check this out....<br /><br />Today, in the US, 1 in 31 adults is in prison, in jail or on supervised release.<br /><br />The media reports joblessness by the so called "unemployment rate" which is 9.5% and not by the more acurate "underemployment" rate, which this month is 16.5% up from 13.5% from last January.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-68569129055750113212009-08-02T14:20:05.725-04:002009-08-02T14:20:05.725-04:00The dissent states: the majority gives officers un...The dissent states: the majority gives officers unfettered discretion to choose that course without articulating a single reason why such action is appropriate. Is this not the defination of a police state? Zero accountability. Gates may have lots of room for legal action and I hope they are exercised. I see lots of books, lectures, and litigation. ToshWalkrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837549525747525760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-15524409014541635012009-08-02T13:39:02.351-04:002009-08-02T13:39:02.351-04:00Took about three years
The five majority justices ...Took about three years<br />The five majority justices agreed the arresting officers actions were indeed punitive and "gratitious humiliation" and Atwater suffered "indignity and embarrassment" as a result of the arrest and subsequent detention. The majority did not intrude on the field officers to detain and arrest. In short; the cop was an assho, we know he was an assho but we dont want to rewrite the law because he was an assho and Atwater did not provide a compelling argument despite the fact the cop was an assho. Cant wait to read the dissent...Walkrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837549525747525760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-80776961267160250482009-08-02T13:00:15.189-04:002009-08-02T13:00:15.189-04:00Nice analysis
This is the heart of the matter, i.e...Nice analysis<br />This is the heart of the matter, i.e. the Police State in our country. The divide and conquer strategy is the thin veneer that seperate us from them (B/W, is this example, rich/poor, Gay/Straight, Male/Female, me/other)and allows the status quo to persist and thrive. I think I disagree with the Supreme Court decision in Atwater: that a punitive arrest is anything but a "gratitious humiliation". An arrest has profound real world consequence. Anything from a few hundred dollars for car towing (assuming the tow dosent screw up your car) to lost wages or loss of a job. Most do not possess the means to wage a legal battle with the State and it's, for all intent and purpose, unlimited resource. How long did Atwater take to arrive at SCOTUS Ten years...Walkrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837549525747525760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-35557339141736881302009-08-02T12:50:05.623-04:002009-08-02T12:50:05.623-04:00Cops learn what the (usually white) burghers of th...Cops learn what the (usually white) burghers of their communities will tolerate in the way of 'regulating' undesirables along with the locations of the donut shops where they can get freebies.<br /><br />Cops ALWAYS serve and protect established power. That is their job. That's why they're always the first ones to attack strikers, for example. <br /><br />But their main function is to keep the undesirables moving. They ran into a little Cop-apoeria with Gates because he looks like an undesirable, but behaves like one of the bosses. That's intolerable from the cop-pig-power perspective, and gates had to be shown his place was NOT among those to whom the officer had to reveal his name or badge number.Woody (Tokin Librul/Rogue Scholar/ Helluvafella!)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09205896988142798901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-86682001753416835092009-08-02T12:05:22.824-04:002009-08-02T12:05:22.824-04:00Fumigator: the answer to your question is containe...Fumigator: the answer to your question is contained in your own words. They worry about jack-booted government thugs when *their* liberties are at risk, not when others' liberties are at risk. It's bad if the government might take their guns away, but not when the government might haul off black men to jail.<br /><br />They have been convinced, as I note above, of certain "necessary" police state policies which just happen to affect (mostly) others. They see few if any risks to themselves or to anything they value.<br /><br />Remember how little conservatives were concered with Bush's expansion of unreviewable executive power and even cheered it on while complaining about Obama for things he hasn't done or advocated. Bush was going after brown people following the wrong religion or white liberals, not conservatives' guns.Austin Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15277940533571121800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-21138727720878604372009-08-02T11:42:24.451-04:002009-08-02T11:42:24.451-04:00Fucking little-dick pigs.Fucking little-dick pigs.PhysioProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046093902090839375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-87991074806825238432009-08-02T10:35:56.012-04:002009-08-02T10:35:56.012-04:00The Fumigator in Chief:
Comrade Clinenbelskifarbd...The Fumigator in Chief:<br /><br />Comrade Clinenbelskifarbdorfbergweis doesn't bring that up, because it puts the lie to his little passion play. Look, it's all been explained by G. Gordy's Little. He said that when the cops come to his door (and, by extension, any REAL MerKKKin's door) you gotta aim for their heads, 'cuz they wear body armor. <br /><br />It's pretty simple if you're not a simp:<br /><br />Sgt. Crowley, and his ilk, rousting eduslamicterrarists like Gates = Good Cop<br /><br />Any jackbooted thug wants to take your guns = bad cop.<br /><br />What could be easier to figure out?democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099635.post-27802462816709563482009-08-02T10:24:49.102-04:002009-08-02T10:24:49.102-04:00Austin, I agree with most of your points, but I&#...Austin, I agree with most of your points, but I'm puzzled by the ability of right-wingers to worship authoritarianism while railing against "big government" and worrying that jack-booted government thugs will bust down their doors and take their guns away. Isn't what happened to Henry Louis Gates conservatism's biggest fear? What's your take on that?The Fumigator in Chiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17091289084878877991noreply@blogger.com